C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A (Techniek Radio/TV)

door Pandu Rajan @, 28.04.2015, 10:55 (3501 dagen geleden)

Dear Forum members

I have a radio gram which has the set B6CA38A made by Philips India. Recently it developed a hum problem. On investigation I found one of the 50ufd capacitor faulty. I measured the capacitance of both. The healthy one showed a value 47ufd whereas the faulty one showed a value 0.008ufd. So practically the value of the faulty part had nearly become zero. This resulted in increase of the AC reactance to a very high value causing the hum.I had a spare filter capacitor, though old one, but on measuring the capacitance I found the values as 67ufd/75ufd. If I use this capacitor what problem would it cause? I understand that if a higher value of the filter capacitor is used then the valve EZ80/EZ81 is more stressed. But a filter capacitor which is old and due to aging whose capacitance value has increased will also cause the same problem which a new capacitor of higher value would have caused? Is it possible to detect by performance vise whether the filter capacitor value has increased or not?

Regards

P.Rajan

C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door soundman2 @, Wouw, 28.04.2015, 11:54 (3500 dagen geleden) @ Pandu Rajan
Bewerkt door soundman2, 28.04.2015, 12:02

Dear Forum members

I have a radio gram which has the set B6CA38A made by Philips India. Recently it developed a hum problem. On investigation I found one of the 50ufd capacitor faulty. I measured the capacitance of both. The healthy one showed a value 47ufd whereas the faulty one showed a value 0.008ufd. So practically the value of the faulty part had nearly become zero. This resulted in increase of the AC reactance to a very high value causing the hum.I had a spare filter capacitor, though old one, but on measuring the capacitance I found the values as 67ufd/75ufd. If I use this capacitor what problem would it cause? I understand that if a higher value of the filter capacitor is used then the valve EZ80/EZ81 is more stressed. But a filter capacitor which is old and due to aging whose capacitance value has increased will also cause the same problem which a new capacitor of higher value would have caused? Is it possible to detect by performance vise whether the filter capacitor value has increased or not?

Regards

P.Rajan

A little rewiring solves your problem.
Connect te good half (47uF) direct to the rectifier tube as first capacitor (C25) and the new cap as second, the second is connected via a filtercoil (output transformer).
If the bad cap is already the second (C26), no rewiring is necessary.
Soundman2

C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door Pandu Rajan @, 29.04.2015, 04:06 (3500 dagen geleden) @ soundman2

Dear Friends

The bad capacitor was the C26. C25 was 47ufd. I wanted to retain the original look. So I removed the capacitor and dismantled it. Cleaned the can and put two new 47ufd 450V modern capacitors inside the can after rewiring. Fitted back the capacitor to the chasis. The set is working fine with no HUM. My main worry was damage which would be caused to he EZ80 valve by using capacitor which has developed high value because of ageing.

Thanks once again

P.Rajan

C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door Ouwe Schipper @, Sassenheim, 28.04.2015, 12:06 (3500 dagen geleden) @ Pandu Rajan

Do keep in mind
That an electrolytic capacitor usually degrades when it has not been in use for a long time.
Which means that the vèrry thin layer of aluminium oxide that serves as diëlectricum needs to be "reformatted"
This degrading of the diëlectricum makes the insulation value of the capacitor poor;
measuring the microfarads value gives the (wrong) impression that this increased
But anyway, from 50 uF to 70 uF is not critical; rectifier tube may have problems when you increase to more than 100 uF
Nico

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C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door soundman2 @, Wouw, 28.04.2015, 12:28 (3500 dagen geleden) @ Ouwe Schipper

Which means that the vèrry thin layer of aluminium oxide that serves as diëlectricum needs to be "reformatted"

Electrolytic capacitors must be (re-)formed, not formatted.
Soundman2

C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door Ouwe Schipper @, Sassenheim, 28.04.2015, 17:11 (3500 dagen geleden) @ soundman2

What's in a name
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
N.

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C. 50 + 50 uF in B6CA38A

door kris @, Gent België, 29.04.2015, 05:13 (3500 dagen geleden) @ Ouwe Schipper

note that, because of the aluminium-oxide isolation becomes thinner after a long time of no use, the value of the capacitor really increases. After reforming or reformatting (wathever suits you the best :-) ) the value should drop back to normal...if the other capacitor properties are still ok.

best regards

Kris

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